Certified genuine sandman

[vanman]

I saw These posted on Facebook and was wondering How These Plates Can Be Guaranteed Genuine Sandman
I have tried to decipher but am not sure what is the Indicator is To confirm it as a sandman.
Any Help Appreciated..


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[wbute]

Possibly because Persian Sand is metallic and the ute is not a Kingswood. But they say it's XX7 so it must have a derated GVM as well.

[seavan]

As Byron once said, a floor shift 4 speed in a HJ ute with 2 seat cap only came out in an xx7.

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Possibly because Persian Sand is metallic and the ute is not a Kingswood. But they say it's XX7 so it must have a derated GVM as well.

Wb before mid 75 so no derated kg.

[wbute]

Not floor shift. Console shift. You can't tell if it was floor console shift without looking at the body for mounts but floor shift obviously says M20/22/21 on tag.

[vanman]

As Byron once said, a floor shift 4 speed in a HJ ute with 2 seat cap only came out in an xx7.

so the only way to get a m20 or m21was to buy a sandman..
Dont think so
if that's the case iv cut up heaps of sandmans...

[wbute]

Yep. Console shift and floor shift are not the same thing.
There were plenty of four speeds with bench seat right up to WB.

[seavan]

Yep. Console shift and floor shift are not the same thing.
There were plenty of four speeds with bench seat right up to WB.

Thats exactly right WB but not with 2 seat cap and the original question was on a HJ. On HJ i was led to believe that a four speed with a seating cap of 2 was only available as xx7. You could get a floor shift 4 speed without console but it had a 3 seat cap, remembering this is only the case in HJ as HX and HZ are a totally different story.

[Sandaro]

Thats exactly right WB but not with 2 seat cap and the original question was on a HJ. On HJ i was led to believe that a four speed with a seating cap of 2 was only available as xx7. You could get a floor shift 4 speed without console but it had a 3 seat cap, remembering this is only the case in HJ as HX and HZ are a totally different story.

No WB's right. You could order a 4 speed floor shift on a non sandman commercial with buckets, thus 2 seater, but you wouldn't get a console. If its got a console and the proper bracket/ mounts then its a sandman, because only sandman had the full console. This is applicable to hj.

As to the original question, I can't see what makes it a sandman. Persian sand was available across the whole Holden range, bar Gemini

[Vombil]

its unlikely not to be a sandman but like with anything that is not stamped XX7, XU3 or HX series M70 or 80 with 18V trim - you MUST check for all body identifiers.

[wbute]

No that's not correct as far as I know. That's why checking a HJ console mounts is always one of the only ways to identify a HJ Sandman ute with M20/21 as transmission option. It was the console not the gearbox or bucket seats that was specific to a HJ.

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As to how they know that ute is a Sandman you would have to ask Byron or his mate who does those certificates.