Certified genuine sandman

[wbute]

Yep. Console shift and floor shift are not the same thing.
There were plenty of four speeds with bench seat right up to WB.

[seavan]

Yep. Console shift and floor shift are not the same thing.
There were plenty of four speeds with bench seat right up to WB.

Thats exactly right WB but not with 2 seat cap and the original question was on a HJ. On HJ i was led to believe that a four speed with a seating cap of 2 was only available as xx7. You could get a floor shift 4 speed without console but it had a 3 seat cap, remembering this is only the case in HJ as HX and HZ are a totally different story.

[Sandaro]

Thats exactly right WB but not with 2 seat cap and the original question was on a HJ. On HJ i was led to believe that a four speed with a seating cap of 2 was only available as xx7. You could get a floor shift 4 speed without console but it had a 3 seat cap, remembering this is only the case in HJ as HX and HZ are a totally different story.

No WB's right. You could order a 4 speed floor shift on a non sandman commercial with buckets, thus 2 seater, but you wouldn't get a console. If its got a console and the proper bracket/ mounts then its a sandman, because only sandman had the full console. This is applicable to hj.

As to the original question, I can't see what makes it a sandman. Persian sand was available across the whole Holden range, bar Gemini