The car had already been restored, it's red with a 304, so not really going for complete accurate Resto, but it's all there as it came and nothing's been modified, stock body and chassis... Everyone that sees it, automatically sparks an argument over the sandman issue, "is it or not?" I just thought I'd finally get some help identifying what it actually is...
Thanks guys...
Also how do I get onto the historical services??
What colour are the door handles?
It is not for me to say, that is for Byron to comment on.
However I personally believe that his extensive knowledge and helpful nature was not being appreciated by some members of the forum. So rather than continually engage in fruitless, pointless arguments and contradictions he decided to leave.
A great loss to all of the current and future members of this great site. A site that has been built by the dedication and love of a group of like minded people.
Here, as in life, the majority must pay for the acts of the minority.
His input is sorely missed.
Sorry Blocker I know this is off topic
The door handles are chrome, it has the chrome scratch gaurd underneath as well...
Forums are an incredible source of information, because of people like the aforementioned member who left... It's a shame the bullshit they have to put up with, anyway back on topic... Would love anymore help, I'll google the Holden historic deal, see what they say..
It should have black door handles that were not chromed and painted black stainless trim around windscreen. To me that says no to Sandman. But contact Historical services to know for sure.
Without documentation to prove it a Sandman, I would say it is not. I would be more inclined to see it as an optioned up panel van rather than a Sandman, you must remember that a lot of buyers didn't want all the graphics and looks of the Sandman in its day and the fact that the stripes were a delete option on HZ bears this out. My father passed up an L31 M21 HX Sandman in favour of an L20 M15 HZ van in 1981 because he wouldn't drive that "bloody lairy thing" on the roads. At 19 I was begging him to get the Sandman!!!!!!
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i wouldnt be worried about chrome on handles as rusted doors were just swapped out for less rusty doors. the chrome scratch strip isn't a biggy either as these are added to cover up bog in sills. if the car was repainted without GTS blackouts then black windscreen molds would have been pulled off for chrome too. i'd be looking for evidence of body molding or correct paint code colour over spray on floors to determine if it's the correct body
HX and HZ are hard to pick off the plates alone.
i came close to buying an HZ that had 'sandman plates' where the owner had added all of the GTS gear, twin front etc and tried to flog it as a sandman. it was just a holden van with 253 and 4 speed buckets options!
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The chrome door handles don't specifically say no, however, if it had the black ones it would highly increase the likelihood of a "Yes".
I reckon it's most likely a no. A Chamois XU3 would be a highly unlikely combination. It's more than likely a plumber who wanted bucket seats and enough grunt to tow.
One thing that I have noticed that does not get mentioned much is the spare wheel carrier which is smaller on a sandman to suit the gts wheels I maybe wrong but gts wheel would not have been factory fitted to standard holden Utes or vans one other thing that I cannot work out is why would you option up a standard holden when you could buy a kingwood the window surrounds on my hx sandman ute are not chromed at all the paint has faded off them they are a grey mat type finish like the door handles
No Kingswood van in HX. So you had to option a standard one up. I doubt if you ordered N67 wheels on a non Sandman you would have got 5 and the different which end.
The windscreen trim is not chrome. It's stainless and they painted over them. The door handles were not chromed though.
If HX has 18v trim its almost 100% a sandman if it's not a Kingswood ute. Pretty much the same in HZ.
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