restoring

**doggindan1** · 15-09-2011, 03:30 PM

is there any way of telling if it is the orginal Chassis. or would the police have a record of what the original numbers were befor they done this
any help would be much apreiceated. dose this affect the sandman side of things for orginality or could this prossibly be the original chassis
any info or help would be great
thanks Dan

**ozbox** · 15-09-2011, 03:53 PM

this is what is refered to as matching numbers for tag and chassis..original number for yours should be on the tag..

**Rico** · 15-09-2011, 04:02 PM

am off to the shed to see if my WB is matching.............

**playwme** · 15-09-2011, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by doggindan1

is there any way of telling if it is the orginal Chassis. or would the police have a record of what the original numbers were befor they done this
any help would be much apreiceated. dose this affect the sandman side of things for orginality or could this prossibly be the original chassis
any info or help would be great
thanks Dan

Even if it is the original chassis restamped with a police number, the doubt would be still be there for a potential buyer and therefore the value has been wiped off anyway. (there's a little short thread about this somewhere around here. Bit hard to find cause it hasn't had many posts the last 3 days.

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If it is the original there should be some remnants of the original number stamped somewhere, probably with a line stamped through them.

**doggindan1** · 15-09-2011, 06:27 PM

this is what i found. i sanded most of the paint back where the chassis number is dose not look like there was any other chassis number there at all
there are no other numbers there nothing with lines through them anyway would the police take the old number off completely or as said would there be remnents of one there if one was there?????
also would the victorian police keep records of this type of thing ????
thanks Dan

**playwme** · 15-09-2011, 06:37 PM

They'd have to have some kind of record, but given that it was done in 1987 (by the 87 in the number) then there's a pretty good chance they won't be able to and won't want to try and find said record. It must have been a new set of rails with no numbers. If you just want to know what the original chassis number would be then it's easy, that's the number on your tags. Not sure if there is any other info that would really be useful to you.

Given that the chassis doesn't match and the amount of rust in the body, my advice would be to spend 5 grand and find a matching numbers van with little rust. That 5K will be saved just in the amount of bodywork and the extra value of having matching rails and you're more likely to finish the project rather than wasting money on something that give you constant headaches.

**Vombil** · 18-09-2011, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by playwme

They'd have to have some kind of record, but given that it was done in 1987 (by the 87 in the number) then there's a pretty good chance they won't be able to and won't want to try and find said record. It must have been a new set of rails with no numbers. If you just want to know what the original chassis number would be then it's easy, that's the number on your tags. Not sure if there is any other info that would really be useful to you.

Given that the chassis doesn't match and the amount of rust in the body, my advice would be to spend 5 grand and find a matching numbers van with little rust. That 5K will be saved just in the amount of bodywork and the extra value of having matching rails and you're more likely to finish the project rather than wasting money on something that give you constant headaches.

couldnt agree more. its time to flick yours and find something worth spending money on Donggindan

**ozbox** · 15-09-2011, 06:40 PM

im sure the first 2 numbers indicate the year it was stamped..it was probably a replacement chassis from holden and either it was not stamped when it was replaced and later in its life it went out of rego and when it came to re registering they issued that number..fairly common.

**doggindan1** · 15-09-2011, 07:25 PM

well if that is the case then it would be as original as could be then if it was a replacement chassis from GMH no numbers to me means it is as good as the original chassis coz GMH supplyed it for that car
and if there is a police stamp on it and there are no other numbers on the chassis to me this could only mean if the chassis was replaced with out numbers on it all apart from the police numbers then this chassis was made for a sandman to me there would be no way of prooveing this
this number is put there by the police for identification for there use and if there are no other numbers on the chassis how could any one say it is not original to this car if it was purchest for a sandman?

could you get the numbers printed on the chassis from the tag's if this was the case as the police number is there for them and if there was no other numbers printed else where could you get this done
legalely even if it ment jumping through hoops to get it done

**playwme** · 15-09-2011, 08:17 PM

Read the "could this be a Sandman" thread. A Sandman chassis is the same as any other ute/van chassis. The person it matters to isn't you, it's the guy buying it in the future. That police number creates doubt, and doubt will wipe 30 to 40 percent off the value of a restored classic car like this. If you're spending the money on a restoration then spend it on one that has no doubt at all. Otherwise you might as well buy a boat (otherwise known as "A hole in the water that you throw money into")

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Originally Posted by doggindan1

could you get the numbers printed on the chassis from the tag's if this was the case as the police number is there for them and if there was no other numbers printed else where could you get this done
legalely even if it ment jumping through hoops to get it done

No , that's why it has a police number, because you can't restamp the original ones. For all you know the original is still out there on another vehicle.