HQ Orchid metallic Sandman on Ebay

**Kingsandman** · 09-02-2018, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Innuendo

I think that is GTS only from what I can figure. Mine has a 200kph and most of the others I've seen that I rate also have the same.
It's up for debate, but I can't see why a Ute or Panel Van in 1974 would get a 220kph speedo. I certainly wouldn't discount something from being a Sandman based on the speedo.
Worth checking a 1974 HQ Parts book for info.

all three of my hq sandy utes have got 220kmh speedos

**Wombat7051** · 09-02-2018, 01:42 PM

Oh totally agree would be great. Would love to see the dash and see if it did have the right speedo. Looks like they tried to make a ss with the strip and seats or maybe stripped one for the parts.

**Absinth** · 09-02-2018, 06:03 PM

According to Byron they should have the GTS speedo.... however a lot of others believe the standard HQ speedo is correct.... the same argument is had for HQ SS...

**Wombat7051** · 09-02-2018, 07:18 PM

Yea just what I heard with the 220. I am no expert just what I was told but I could be wrong

**Innuendo** · 09-02-2018, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Absinth

According to Byron they should have the GTS speedo.... however a lot of others believe the standard HQ speedo is correct.... the same argument is had for HQ SS...

HQ SS would have a MPH speedo, KPH was 1974. I guess the argument is over 120 and 140MPH versions.

Originally Posted by Kingsandman

all three of my hq sandy utes have got 220kmh speedos

Originally Posted by mauser

Should have a 220kph.

Mauser

I wonder if it has to do with whether you have Flexdrive or VDO speedo from factory?
There is a lot of genuine HQ Sandman's out there with 200KPH speedos.

What brand do you have?

Similar issues go on with EJ/EH speedo's between AC and VDO variants.

**mauser** · 09-02-2018, 10:18 PM

Should have a 220kph.

Mauser

**Sandaro** · 10-02-2018, 01:38 AM

Previous opinions on speedos including from Byron and Inners

http://www.mysandman.com.au/forums/s...sandman+speedo

**Innuendo** · 10-02-2018, 03:01 AM

Originally Posted by Sandaro

Previous opinions on speedos including from Byron and Inners

http://www.mysandman.com.au/forums/s...sandman+speedo

I was fully down with the 220kph speedo for Sandman, because like Byron I believed HQ Sandman's got all the GTS options.
Today I'm not so sure. While Byron's document says what it "should" have it, doesn't make it so.

I read this thread: http://www.mysandman.com.au/forums/s...ndman-Speedo-s

Didn't come away convinced. Absinth at least mentions the different brands and HQSS Paul was really being thorough. Too many times people state that their Sandman came with a 200kph speedo.
All the images I find mainly looked to be prostituted dashboards with bits missing or odd custom paint colours. The yellow HQ Sandman Ozbox sold dashboard is an abomination of old and new parts and doesn't fill me with any confidence. Buickzz and Bryan's barbarous HQ Sandmans both have 200kph speedos along with numerous other images I have collected over the years of "HQ Sandman's" for sale. Both nice clean examples to basket cases.

So many "not in the build or no longer in the build" confirmed original Sandman's I look at have the 200kph speedo fitted. Why? it's easy enough to purchase a 220kph speedo.

Anyway, I'm not convinced one way or the other now. I'm 100% sure some came with 220kph speedo's but I'm not convinced they all did...

That said, my Owners Manual dated April '74 that has been with my Sandman from new shows the 220kph speedo in illustration. Yet the Sandman it's from has a 200kph speedo fitted.

Could the speedo have been replaced - yep! But it could have been there from the start also.
The illustration also shows a push button radio and I know that wasn't always the case with 3 or more radio options. Based on the Owners Manual it would mean "all '74" HQ's Monaro LS/GTS/Sandman or even a Belmont with option would have got the 220klm speedo and I 100% know that isn't true.

**Absinth** · 10-02-2018, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Innuendo

Buickzz and Bryan's barbarous HQ Sandmans both have 200kph speedos along with numerous other images I have collected over the years of "HQ Sandman's" for sale.

Anyway, I'm not convinced one way or the other now. I'm 100% sure some came with 220kph speedo's but I'm not convinced they all did...

Buickzz van was Acacia Ridge built and Acacia Ridge is notorious for build stuff ups from not stamping plates correctly to installing parts that shouldn't be on a particular model. My old man worked on the production line at Acacia Ridge during 1970-1971 and told me many stories of his antics there from assembling XU1's to bets with other line workers to assemble cars with upgraded parts.... forgetting to put a GTS speedo in a Sandman would be nothing new. Production broadcast sheets were not supposed to be left in the vehicles but they have been found under dashpads and floor coverings or stuffed inside seats. It was a running joke to see what they could slip past QA.

Production line workers could have been so conditioned to only installing GTS speedos in GTS vehicles that when a van or ute came along in 74 that was a Sandman they just put a standard one in it. There are more and more Brisbane built HQ Sandmans being found that don't have XX7 stamped on the plate.