New Ve Sandman

**HZSandman** · 27-09-2010, 08:03 PM

We were trying to hang out for the camero as well. Not likely. I can't understand how the top of the range model in the States is around $40K and they reckon that if they bought it to Aus it would be $70k+. Have they not seen the dollar?

**HK1837** · 27-09-2010, 08:11 PM

The Camaro is a VE under the body, and it was designed here. It is Engineered as a RHD but not tooled. If it is it could possibly be assembled here, but unlikely. With a free trade agreemement surely it wouldn't be any dearer than a VZ CV8Z plus 10% or so, so $70k isn't that silly.

Jason, a HSV isn't a Monaro. This is the only reason I didn't buy one and bought a CV8 instead, apart from the fact that the HSV's are so tacky looking compared to a V2. At the time GTO's and CV8 wee exactly the same price secondhand. GTS was a little dearer. The best value of all is a V2, low kM examples are still cheap. I originally looked for a manual but after driving an auto would never buy a 6spd again. I had a VY SS ute 6spd at the same time, V2 auto is a heaps better car.

**stickthis** · 27-09-2010, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by HK1837

The Camaro is a VE under the body, and it was designed here. It is Engineered as a RHD but not tooled. If it is it could possibly be assembled here, but unlikely. With a free trade agreement surely it wouldn't be any dearer than a VZ CV8Z plus 10% or so, so $70k isn't that silly.

Jason, a HSV isn't a Monaro. This is the only reason I didn't buy one and bought a CV8 instead, apart from the fact that the HSV's are so tacky looking compared to a V2. At the time GTO's and CV8 wee exactly the same price secondhand. GTS was a little dearer. The best value of all is a V2, low kM examples are still cheap. I originally looked for a manual but after driving an auto would never buy a 6spd again. I had a VY SS ute 6spd at the same time, V2 auto is a heaps better car.

I'm a country lad Byron so a manual is a must for me!

I did look at a CV8 when I was in Adel. Black, 63,000km on the close. holden warranty etc. Absolutely mint and original. $30,000. I myself like the GTS. But finding one suitable with low KM and original is the issue....

I know they are not a monaro HSV's. But thats the exact reason why I don't want one lol. I like the HSV Coupes. The GTS especially.

**HZSandman** · 27-09-2010, 08:34 PM

Go the Monaro instead. I know a nice black one (2nd owner) with red leather CV8 vII.

Should be 4 sale soon.

**HK1837** · 27-09-2010, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by stickthis

I'm a country lad Byron so a manual is a must for me!

I did look at a CV8 when I was in Adel. Black, 63,000km on the close. holden warranty etc. Absolutely mint and original. $30,000. I myself like the GTS. But finding one suitable with low KM and original is the issue....

I know they are not a monaro HSV's. But thats the exact reason why I don't want one lol. I like the HSV Coupes. The GTS especially.

GTS would be worth having, but only the early examples with the 300kW Callaway engine. My mate has a 4 door version, it is a weapon. At least they retained a GTS badge, like a HZ GTS. Still they are ugly compared to a Monaro. I looked at them all lined up at the Monaro Nationals and the CV8's especially the V2 varieties without the XB Falcon ugly bonnet scoops (VZ) look heaps nicer in the flesh than any HSV. The only HSV that looks any good in my opinion is the V2 Coupe4.

**stickthis** · 27-09-2010, 09:58 PM

What is there not to like! I love them. The GTS name is a big seller for me.

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/...eot=1&__N=1216 1247 1252 1282 4294965570 4294965530 4294933160&silo=1011

**HK1837** · 28-09-2010, 06:08 AM

V2 GTS nose and side looks good, but the rear treeatment especially the boot spoiler just doesn't look right. Sort of reminds me of a UC with A9X kit tacked on. Engine more than makes up for it though! They look great in yellow too. And they look heaps better than a lot of the 4 door plastic pig HSV's especially the nose of the VY stuff. When I was looking at buying a V2 Monaro I knocked back a really low kM because it had a factory rear wing! I just don't like bolt on crap! Just me though. My mate got the engine rebuilt in his 4 door HSV GTS, I think it cost abot $11,000. On the dyno when being run in it was cranking out about 335kW at conservative revs. All they did was rebuild it to basically standard specs with better quality pistons, a better cam and cleaned the ports up.

**Epic_Dragon** · 28-09-2010, 08:48 AM

all good

i know they r not jsut a commodore with 2 doors, other than the abomination u mentioned. and they r veyr nice cars in their own right, and were a bit different to drive than my old manual VT wagon was. i think they should have styled them a bit different so they dont look so much like a commo. as like u say, they r not commodores. they just suffer the common label as a 2 door commo as they look very much like a commodore. the export pontiac version sort of solves that tho

r they making a monaro in the VE shape?

im veyr bad at explaining thigns LOL!! the VE ute and canopy shown is nice in itself, but those stickers dont look right at all on it.

**HK1837** · 28-09-2010, 10:30 AM

No Monaro in VE, GMH did a styling exercise called the Coupe60 but it'll probably never see the light of day. Especially since the new Camaro is basically a VE with a different body on top, so I'd say if we get anything it'll be a Camaro. Will have to wait and see what happens. remember that the case to justify to build the Monaro was based upon US sales as a Pontiac. That opportunity is lost with the Camaro being around.

You are right the V2 look like a 2 door commodore. But put a HK-HX coupe beside a 4 door example of the same series expecially HK-HQ Monaro next to a HK-HQ Kingswood and a HQ-HJ LS next to a HQ-HJ Premier. See the point? Those that make those statements don't understand what a Monaro was. The V2 even got it's own series designation (ie V2), something else HK-HX coupes didn't get!