all good i know they r not jsut a commodore with 2 doors, other than the abomination u mentioned. and they r veyr nice cars in their own right, and were a bit different to drive than my old manual VT wagon was. i think they should have styled them a bit different so they dont look so much like a commo. as like u say, they r not commodores. they just suffer the common label as a 2 door commo as they look very much like a commodore. the export pontiac version sort of solves that tho r they making a monaro in the VE shape?

im veyr bad at explaining thigns LOL!! the VE ute and canopy shown is nice in itself, but those stickers dont look right at all on it.