Is a Sandman still a Samdman?????

[Absinth]

educating people re the tags and chassis matching is my mission and the only reason i have such a strong opinion in this type of conversation.....

Nothing wrong with having a strong opinion Greg......:knockout:

blocker i reckon that what you have said is spot on...

my part of the debate comes from the fact that i have been a licensed motor dealer specialising in collectables for 20 years and hate to see people buying these things on the tags and not knowing that without the matching chassis they are just another van..

Greg, I understand the chassis number being the identity of the car as per registration details but I don't understand the Sandman identity by the chassis number...

I don't know how it was in other States but in Qld it really depended on what information the person registering the car wrote down on the form.

I know the registration details of my old HQ Sandman were.... Make..Holden ...Model..Belmont ...Body style.. panelvan

My A9X details were Make... Holden .... Model... Torana .... Body style... Hatchback

No mention of Sandman or A9X anywhere.

Yet a mate who had a 4.2L SS Torana Hatch had: Make... Holden ....Model...SS Torana ... Body style... Hatchback

My XW GT was registered as a Ford... XWFalcon... Sedan ,,,, my XY GTHO was registered as a Ford... GTHO Falcon... Sedan and one of my HX Sandmans was registered as a Holden... Sandman... Panelvan

So in Qld. at least, while the rego papers identify a special vehicle in some cases... in others there is no differentiation from the base model.

[HK1837]

Greg's point is aimed at trying to educate others (not yourself, but newbies) that a Sandman (or GTS or LS or whatever) is valuable and collectable and worth $X when it is whole. Replace it's original chassis number with another and it suddenly is worth 60% of $X. He's trying to stop people paying too much for bling, and focussing on the big picture. He more than any of us talks to people everday and hears what they bought, and what they paid. Just because an Ebay auction shows a picture of a BODY tag with XU3 on it doesn't mean the whole thing is this wonderful thing. Like the "Sandman" on Ebay with the WB body. He also more than anybody wants people to buy the right car for them at the right price and to spend money restoring it, that's how he makes a living. Not to see someone pay $10k for a driving HZ Sandman to find out is is a HX body on a WB chassis with HX ID plates. This is how I read what he says anyway!

[mauser]

That's why discussions like this are so valuable.

I realise that what you buy the origional car for dwarfs what you spend on it. That saying the HQ I am building is for driving and having fun with. Good second hand stuff and do the best job I can with the body is my goal.

Then use it as a fun weekender for doing trips to the coast or whereever.... yay


Mauser

[Absinth]

Greg's point is aimed at trying to educate others (not yourself, but newbies) that a Sandman (or GTS or LS or whatever) is valuable and collectable and worth $X when it is whole. Replace it's original chassis number with another and it suddenly is worth 60% of $X. He's trying to stop people paying too much for bling, and focussing on the big picture. He more than any of us talks to people everday and hears what they bought, and what they paid. Just because an Ebay auction shows a picture of a BODY tag with XU3 on it doesn't mean the whole thing is this wonderful thing. Like the "Sandman" on Ebay with the WB body. He also more than anybody wants people to buy the right car for them at the right price and to spend money restoring it, that's how he makes a living. Not to see someone pay $10k for a driving HZ Sandman to find out is is a HX body on a WB chassis with HX ID plates. This is how I read what he says anyway!

Still a lot that need educating then... 5 people fighting it out for a set of HX Sandman XX7 data plates.... L31 M21 with trim 1917-60A

Plates only no chassis.... $860 :knockout:....... that's more than I paid for a whole HX Sandman.

http://offer.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAP...m=180618953722

[HK1837]

Pretty silly hey! I suppose if you already had an Acacia Ridge Kingswood van built as a Sandman fake those plates would go well on it. For $860 though if you actually get some parts other than plates like tailgates and doors then it is a bargain!

[mauser]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HX-308-4-SPEE...item45f8847464

This is a WB advertised as a HX Sandman... :-)

Mauser

[Rhino]

Interesting read guy's, just wondering what your thoughts are on these tags ?. Never been removed from the Van, 3 registered owners, about 60,000 kms from new. Is it still a Sandman no matter what ?.

Cheers

[playwme]

Not sure what you're asking there Rhino. It's got XX7 on the plate and the chassis number matches the other plate so it is and always has been a Sandman. (unless I'm not seeing some restamped chassis numbers or something)