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    Yeah, but the MAJOR difference is that a dealer couldn't fit a "Sandman Canopy Conversion". They couldn't buy one and certainly couldn't fit one.
    It had to be ordered, documented and fitted and then HBD I.D tagged all under the official Holden banner and carry the full manufacturers new car warranty. You cannot get anymore official. No discrepancies between plants as they were all done at the one location.

    You can't place these in the same category. Sure there some argument that they are "different" than the '70's Special Vehicle Package. But this is simply a sign of the times.
    In no way have I ever stated that these are to be classed as the same thing or follow the same rules of the original Sandman's of the '70's. They are of a different time. But it still doesn't exclude their uniqueness or the fact Holden themselves named them a Sandman in multiple publications and promotion material.

    You pull a statement like "Holden (by design) marketed this canopy calls it a Sandman conversion." as if this is someone other than Holden! Mate, HDB is Holden, same company and carry the same legal obligations, trademarks etc. Same as NASCO is/was Holden. Simply subsidiaries to separate devisions. Just about every company of size in the world does this. In the end though it is still the very same company.
    Your reference to "rolling schedule" is really no more than what the car it to built to as far as specifications go. Makes little difference to me how the car get to the final state before dealer delivery. So long as it is all official Holden. You say the Panel Van '70's Sandman's are different in the body. Well so is the V-Series Sandman over a Ute. Modifications are made, parts removed and others added etc.

    The uniqueness of these is that you could have a SS Sandman, Thunder Sandman or a Storm Sandman and it was all ordered via Holden and built for you as a personalised official offering.
    If ordering a personalised car all done by Holden for the customer doesn't make special, nothing ever will be.

    You are simply surmising that Holden called them a Sandman because it took on the panel Van shape and styling and that all people call Holden Panel Vans "Sandman".
    Even "if" that was the case. Holden still choose to use "their" trademark to call these Sandman's and the opinions of all and sundry run second to the facts.

    This doesn't make them the same as the seventies versions. But it still makes them a Sandman.

    Again, Holden designed, Holden named and Holden sold only.
    It's got nothing to do with dealers and what shonky stuff they get up to. Everything about these V-Series Sandman conversions is HOLDEN.

    Regards, Smooth
    Last edited by Innuendo; 26-11-2012 at 06:14 PM.

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