Those of you with F0rd tasts

[Gee]

Ford might have been in front with the 9" over a 10-bolt but lose every time against a Muncie!

It's great people love their cars, but c'mon, credit where it's due and just call it a tie :smile-new: Other than the rest of the long list of desirable Fords to have a top loader as OE, big block Cobras both AC and Shelby, Boss 302 and for a bit of Australian flag waving the GTHO are good enough for me.

[HK1837]

Talk to my mate who smashed multiple GT toploaders behind his 350 in a HK GTS before putting the Muncie back in that he originally removed to save it from the same fate! Muncie is back out now and doing daily work in a WB tonner after 11+ years of abuse. Toploaders lasted on average about 6 weeks! To be fair to the Toploaders though, they were probably never designed for that sort of caning. The same car busted many 9" LSD's before a mini spool was installed which fixed that problem.

[trash]

Talk to my mate who smashed multiple GT toploaders behind his 350 in a HK GTS before putting the Muncie back in that he originally removed to save it from the same fate! Muncie is back out now and doing daily work in a WB tonner after 11+ years of abuse. Toploaders lasted on average about 6 weeks! To be fair to the Toploaders though, they were probably never designed for that sort of caning. The same car busted many 9" LSD's before a mini spool was installed which fixed that problem.

maybe he should have put a rebuilt toploader in instead of the secondhand worn out ones he was obviously putting in if infact he did at all

[HK1837]

maybe he should have put a rebuilt toploader in instead of the secondhand worn out ones he was obviously putting in if infact he did at all

Some of these were fully rebuilt boxes, lots of money spent on them. They are just not as strong as a Muncie. They are good boxes but not near to the M22 muncie's strength. Toploader is probably on par with a Super T10 which is what GM used once they stopped building hi-po big block muscle cars in the early 70's, perfect for hipo small blocks. ST10 is what was used in A9X race cars (and Group C Camaros too I think).

[trash]

Some of these were fully rebuilt boxes, lots of money spent on them. They are just not as strong as a Muncie. They are good boxes but not near to the M22 muncie's strength. Toploader is probably on par with a Super T10 which is what GM used once they stopped building hi-po big block muscle cars in the early 70's, perfect for hipo small blocks. ST10 is what was used in A9X race cars (and Group C Camaros too I think).

can you get the super t10 easy enough they sound like the better replacement for my aussie

[HK1837]

Yes, but Muncies are easier and require the same floor/tunnel mod as a ST10 as the shifter is in the same spot. Muncies were standard in some HQ's so you can copy the floor mod off one of these cars for either box. Both use the same bellhousing and clutch setup too. On a HQ-mid HZ you can simply use a HT-HG 253/308 4spd bellhousing (also same as A9X with ST10). Late HZ will require a Dellow or CRS bellhousing. Either Muncie or ST10 will use a TH350 crossmember, best bet is to find a 1980-181 WB Statesman one and shorten it an inch or so on both sides. Muncie uses standard HQ 350 manual speedo cable, can't remember if ST10 is on same side, if not use a HQ-WB TH400/TH350 speedo cable. Tailshaft will be OK from the Aussie box.

[mckackie]

I spoke to a bloke at the Sydney Motor Show years ago named Eric Banes......a feller who looked to be in his early 70'S.....about the Ph 4 concept in the XA's . he said it was canned 'coz a motoring writer (can't remember where he worked, Syd herald or Wheels mag but his name was Evans) had a major dummy spit about young people killin themselves in super cars, and after some kind of government knee-jerk legislation, planned models with go fast packs were canned, so, according to Eric, the Ph 4 bits did go into LTD's Fairlanes, F100's etc, with most of the top loader gearboxes being re-geared for commercial vehicles, and most of the 9-inch diffs going to anything from special orders to commercials, and the GT sedans in the XA's were to be very limited, sort of co-inciding with Ford Australia's withdrawal from motor racing in Australia, and sort of with the last of the Monaro go-fast packs decline too. (but the rise of the Sandmans & Sundowners?)

[HK1837]

Evan Green I think was the journalist.

[xagtsedan]

Yeah, some of those left over engines and other parts like 31 spline 9 inches did end up in ZF/ZG Fairlanes, F100's etc but most would have either been found and used or scrapped by now as the rust bug has pulled most ofthem off the road anyway... but it never hurts too keep an eye out. The engines werent stamped with a number till they were allocated to be fitted to a car so the 4-bolt blocks etc would have JG37 (Fairlane) or AL1 (F100) prefixes to match whatever they left the factory in. Cheers Pat

[HK1837]

I remember a story of a bloke that bought a gasket set for his Fairlane and couldn't work out why the ports on the heads were twice the size of those on the valley cover!