Vans on the train

[HQ SS]

OK here are the other pics
Unfortunately no more like the other one just complete cars on the trains.
The first is the only picture I have found that shows a HQ at all.
Also well spotted the pictures are of the wagons the cars just happen to be on them at the time.
Believe me there are lots more with no cars and also a few with fords on them.
HQ 10 77.jpg

HZ 17 08 79.jpg

HZ 17 08 79 01.jpg

HZ 17 08 79 02.jpg

HZ 17 08 79 03.jpg

HZ 17 08 79 04.jpg

HZ 17 08 79 05.jpg

HZ 17 08 79 06.jpg

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What I found interesting was that it appears that all the kingswood sl models do not have hub caps on but the std models do.
Torana's next.
Cheers Paul.

[mauser]

Yep, good thing that windowed non-Sandman is between them to rule out those tricks of the light. The difference between the windowed one and the 2 others is very noticeable on the sills.

Have a look at yours PWM... it's never been resprayed behind the guards. :-)

Mauser

[HQ SS]

Here are the Torana's.
Something to note with these are the fact that a couple have Jelly Bean mags fitted to them.

Torana's 16 07 77.jpg

Torana's 18 02 77.jpg

torana's 28 11 77.jpg

torana's 28 11 77 02.jpg

torana's 28 11 77 03.jpg

[mauser]

Amazing.... Jelly bean mags!

Mauser

[V6HQUTE]

imagine if all these photos were today

[HQ SS]

It looks like mostly the Torana pics were taken at places called South Dynon and Canal yard.
HZ's at Albury by the looks of it.
Sorry way to many other files to go through at the moment to see where else they were taken.
Cheers Paul.

[HQ SS]

Another couple of things I thought of. (we are only guessing the date by the picture's name)

1) How did they get the colour match so perfect in painting the front end afterwards. Even faded old 40 year old paint has aged the same when painted in different plants, days etc. I have been told its better to paint the entire car on the same day, in the same conditions. Maybe its the paint they used then. Well done to the Holden QA dudes in this case especially with the Met. Sandy colours.

2) I would of thought the Sandman blackouts and stickers would of been applied after the assembly with the front end in this case. I guess the HZ's would of only needed a squrt on the front guards as the nose spoiler is body colour. With the stickers in HX/Z's being applied in the factory, I could of imagined that was nearly last task especially to line them up. (those ones cant be HQ/J as they were in the box on the front seat). I have a picture of the HQ blackouts done prior to the front guards on HQ SS's but Byron has said this was only at some plants. Is there any evidence of the blackouts done prior on Syd/Mel HQ/J PV Sandman's (think SYD made Ute bodies) when the bodies were shipped to them like this? (or are we just guessing based on their coupe/sedan GTS's production) I can get that the blackouts could be done earlier on a Adl/Bne Sandman because the entire vehicle was made there and possibly the front end painted along with the body and passed to the next plant together to be assembled.

Mauser

I named the files like this but the collections they are from state those dates on them.
Going by the pictures with these the person walked around the yard taking pictures of what was there on the day.

At least with the Mosman Park cars I have been told the top coat paint came with the cars in large pails and was then painted on to the panels
separately here.
I have pictures of the last cars from the Mosman Park plant (which unfortunately I am not allowed to publish anywhere at this time.)
These cars are both Lettuce Alone HQ SS's and the sill black outs are painted on the body's already and the guards that have been fitted at
Mosman Park do not have the black outs on them yet.
They also do not have the decals on them yet either I was told that they were fitted as basically the last thing.
So It looks like there is some use in these pictures, now I just have to keep searching for the HQ ones that I want.
Here are a couple of older pictures of bodies on the train here in WA.
Cars in wa C 1958.jpgCars in wa Mar5_1963.jpgCars in wa Mar5_1963 crop.jpg
None of these pictures are mine so if the owner wants them removed let me know and I will remove them.
Cheers Paul.
Cheers Paul.

[V6HQUTE]

these photos are great, keep them coming

[HK1837]

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So do you think all Elizabeth, Pagewood or Dandenong Panel vans should look like this?

I thought I examined TwoTees Acacia Ridge HZ XX7 van prior to stripping it and I didnt see this but maybe I'm wrong.


Mauser

PS If the vans were outfitted inside completely then they would of been designated Sandmans early to have the floor mounts, headlining strips, U61 harness and dash and the tunnel hole cut.

By what I currently know the following Sandmans should be like that:

Elizabeth HQ-HZ.
Pagewood HJ-HZ vans.
Dandenong HQ-HZ vans.
Acacia Ridge.

Pagewood HQ Sandman, Pagewood HJ-HZ utes and Dandenong HQ-HZ utes had the guards painted when the body was painted, BUT I don't have a photo showing how far away from the body the panels hung when painted so it is likely some black went under the guard. I do have photos I took of Buickzz's white HQ Pagewood van when we first found it, and it had factory paint on the firewall and under the guards and there is some colour there but mainly white.

All cars would be designated what their final build configuration was when they were first entered into the rolling schedule, when they were given their PSN. Elizabeth fitted the BODY plates too, so full specs were known at that stage.

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Amazing.... Jelly bean mags!

Mauser

They were optional N67 rally rims, which later changed to the alloy HZ GTS style (seen on Gemini, Sunbird, Torana, Commodore and Statesman SL/E's later).

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Rodney and I have studied that photo for 10minutes, and have decided that at least the 3rd from the front has blackouts and possibly the first one has as well...not the window one...and we also think the third from the front is ours or the Ski Mans yellow van going off to Dandenong...

The front one also looks to have bright tail-light surrounds and no evidence of Kingswood rub strips. Can't see given the angle if there is black around the doors. These will be late HX's too.

[the ski man]

Rodney and I have studied that photo for 10minutes, and have decided that at least the 3rd from the front has blackouts and possibly the first one has as well...not the window one...and we also think the third from the front is ours or the Ski Mans yellow van going off to Dandenong...

Jen, i think i agree, the first and third certainly have blackouts, and the tone of grey could mean that they are both yellow ones.... its certainly yours or mine Jen