matching tag to chassis explained with pictures

[ozbox]

i agree with byron re the ugly stamps...different plants did have different fonts and some stuff wore out..the first 0 that has been stmaped is in line but appears to be only half stamped..if it got to the end of the line and a human restamped it then that could be your answer..
i owned a 70 pontiac transam a few years back..pontiacs have a matching vin number to block number..this vin number is stamped on the engine down low in tiny stamps.2 of the numbers were xd out and the correct stamped above..this was common for pontiac to do...
someone needs to start taking pictures of all chassis numbers on hq to wb to look at fonts and stamping errors..we do know holden made mistakes.

maybe i should do that when i get a chance?

[hainzy]

i agree with byron re the ugly stamps...different plants did have different fonts and some stuff wore out..the first 0 that has been stmaped is in line but appears to be only half stamped..if it got to the end of the line and a human restamped it then that could be your answer..
i owned a 70 pontiac transam a few years back..pontiacs have a matching vin number to block number..this vin number is stamped on the engine down low in tiny stamps.2 of the numbers were xd out and the correct stamped above..this was common for pontiac to do...
someone needs to start taking pictures of all chassis numbers on hq to wb to look at fonts and stamping errors..we do know holden made mistakes.

maybe i should do that when i get a chance?

Sounds like a great job for you Oz. I reckon youve become the official expert. (even though you did say you dont consider yourself one...) It would be interesting to know how much of a shit the RTA and vicroads etc give about messy chassis numbers like that. I mean its 30 year old technology and anything could have happened in the meantime as up to 10 years ago no one gave 2 hoots. Do they just go ' ah whatever' or do they go, 'hmm, thats a bit messy...' We need a vicroads insider..

Anyhoo though, yes a photographic record... We could call it Gregs Philately collection!

or Oz's stamp collection might be simpler.

Ill have to put mine up so i can get your opinion....

[HK1837]

One that stands out like K9 testicles to me was a 307 out of a HK I once saw. When these engines (307, 327 and 350) were completed in the McKinnon or Tonnawanda engine plant in Canada or USA they were given a plant and completion date code, example K1013. When these engines were assigned to a Holden or Statesman or Chev or Pontiac at the GMH Vehicle Assembly Plant they got a GMH engine number stamped in front of the North American number. So you ended up with something like 30712390K1013, not aligned like this but in different font and misaligned. The particular engine in question had the North American bit stamped in the middle of the number pad, so there wasn't enough room for the Aussie bit. So it was stamped like 30712 K1013 390. Looked ugly as hell. I have a photo somewhere i'll post up when I find it.

[Gaddy]

So whats the go in this situation then guys.
Empire has matching chassis to body tag, but also had a Qld Police number stamped near it!
My blue slip guy only found the original one when he had a little scrape around, and used it as the VIN/Chassis no on the NSW Rego papers.


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[ozbox]

the go with that one gadz is like most people they could not find the original chassis number under all the paint so it got a qld police number...

[Gaddy]

That's what I figured Oz ! But I bet I get 20 questions from anyone who is interested in buying it!
Looking forward to that!

[playwme]

Are you saying people employed to manage these numbers on the governments behalf aren't sufficiently trained to find numbers in the factory locations Greg? Surely not.
When I originally bought my Sandman and got the rego switched from ACT to NSW the engine number showed up as stolen 20 years before. Dad spent a whole day hanging round the cop shop while they investigated and cleared it with the insurance company. Then when I went to transfer from Dad's name to mine a few years later I got the same thing. Took it to the cop shop, left it with them and when I came back they said "There's no engine number on that block. Here's a Police number you need to go and get stamped on it." It wasn't the original block for the car so didn't bother me. Turned out they'd been looking at the blank spot on the wrong side of the block. The old engine number was just under a bit of grease.

[wbute]

What happens if a stolen car turns up years later but was paid out under insurance? Is it up to the insurance company if the car can be re-registered? Does the person who owned it get informed? Surely you cant just get police numbers and then sell it.

[ozbox]

Are you saying people employed to manage these numbers on the governments behalf aren't sufficiently trained to find numbers in the factory locations Greg? Surely not.

yep thats what im saying...there use to be manuals that they were supplied with that showed locations..wether they knew or know how to use them is questionable isnt it?

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What happens if a stolen car turns up years later but was paid out under insurance? Is it up to the insurance company if the car can be re-registered? Does the person who owned it get informed? Surely you cant just get police numbers and then sell it.

its owned by the insurance company so you either negotiate with them to buy it or they take it and put it to auction..the old owners wont be contacted unless they believe they may have something to do with insurance fraud..police numbers may or may not be issued depending on what they did to conceal its identity.

[0488TINTER]

Just as a side bar
i owned car yards through the mid 90s and one time we got an RTA inspector drop in for a random check.
He looked at the numbers on an RS2000 we had and didnt like the way there was a spot weld right in the middle of an 0
It was perfectly in the middle and didnt disrupt the stamp at all but he said we would have to get police numbers WTF???I went nuts at this guy because it was in mint condition with original seats, wheel and nose and he made us stam XXX over the originals and put police numbers next to it