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    I think the issue comes from twin and single headlight surrounds. The Quad and Twin terminology is consistent with everything else in the car, like a sedan is a 4 door not a 2 door, twin bucket seats not single etc. Premier front is probably true for HK-HG, but once you get to HQ it isn't unique to Premier as it is on LS as well, and in HQ the Statesman front is different again. HJ is like HQ except Statesman front is the same. I get the confusion, but different or wrong terminology creeps in all the time. I'll see how GMH refers to them when I get a sec.

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    I don't think it matters what we call the front ends, quad, twin, double headlight or premier etc. if we were going to be anal, we would need to quote the part number from the parts catalogue being 9938130 which is ambulance, premier, deville, SLE, sandman PANEL-front end. From hz parts catalogue. But at a quick look in the parts catalogue I note that headlight stone guards are listed for single headlamps and dual headlamps. So that's why other terms can easily creep into the description and be correct. So in the parts cata lounge they are not even referred to as Premier front ends.

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    You just confirmed what I suggested Rod, that the apparant misnomer comes from the headlight surrounds. In the HZ features manual for XX7/XU3 it says (not in this order but i've arranged it to make sense): DELETE Holden front sheetmetal, Holden grille, headlamp bezels and badge. Add GTS headlamp bezels, GTS black painted grille, GTS front sheetmetal and Kingswood grille badge.
    The HZ Sandman sales brochure is pretty clear though, refers to the nose as a "four headlamp front" and "four quartz halogen headlamps" in a few different places. Quad is not used though.

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    So long as you don't call single 7" front "Twin" people will know what you mean. Once you enter that into the description you confuse people.

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    Maybe Four Headlight front and Two headlight front is better.

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    Just stick to twin head light front ffs its been like that for many years and the majority of holden fans will know what your talking about
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    Well eventually, some time after mid 1979, Holden moved with the time's, and started identifying part's with the names most commonly used.. I experienced an issue with part names about six months after I bought my ute in 79. I lowered my ute so it didn't look & handle like a 40 series landcruiser at the time.

    I had finished doing a service and was reversing off the ramp's, unfortunately I came down too quick and the spoiler caught the edge of the ramp and cracked in three places. So back to the selling dealer to make some enquiries about a replacement. I asked the gentleman about a new front spoiler, I had to explain to him the part required, and point it out in the parts manual. It was then known as an "Air Dam."

    Today these part's are known as spoiler's, the language all understand. I could never grasp why Holden referred to them in a text book term, when they were aiming a product squarely at the youth market. My spoiler ended up being welded, and looked brand new again for the price of two dozen can's of tooheys draught.
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    Holden also called Tailgates, "End Gates" there are a thousand of others. Holden parts book terminology is not something we should aspire to.
    I mean who calls a Tailshaft a Propeller Shaft? Or a Dress Rim, Wheel Embellishers?

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    Dress rim I have heard and used as a term but none of the others
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbo View Post
    Well eventually, some time after mid 1979, Holden moved with the time's, and started identifying part's with the names most commonly used.. I experienced an issue with part names about six months after I bought my ute in 79. I lowered my ute so it didn't look & handle like a 40 series landcruiser at the time.

    I had finished doing a service and was reversing off the ramp's, unfortunately I came down too quick and the spoiler caught the edge of the ramp and cracked in three places. So back to the selling dealer to make some enquiries about a replacement. I asked the gentleman about a new front spoiler, I had to explain to him the part required, and point it out in the parts manual. It was then known as an "Air Dam."

    Today these part's are known as spoiler's, the language all understand. I could never grasp why Holden referred to them in a text book term, when they were aiming a product squarely at the youth market. My spoiler ended up being welded, and looked brand new again for the price of two dozen can's of tooheys draught.
    Sorry Robbo, I completely disagree with you about your front air dam. it is nowadays referred to as a spoiler as so many people in the industry just got tired of trying to correct a bogan with a skinfull in a pub, so bogan then breeds and what hope does the next generation have? The dealer lost you probably because it was called the correct term in the book rather than the generic "lets call everything ever fitted to a car a spoiler" brigade standard response. The correct term "spoiler" refers solely to what many know as a lip spoiler or just a spoiler (think Bathurst A9X), which had the sole function of interrupting and changing the behaviour of the boundary layer of air at the back edge of the bootlid (ie; spoil) the airflow, and causing a shift and consequent modification of the low pressure area behind a vehicle at high speeds and downforce at low to mid range speeds.

    Not to be confused with the tem "rear wing" which has the sole function of downforce and is the typical shopping trolley handle type device usually fitted to ricers and the Plymouth Roadrunner.

    A front air dam is just that, a device to disperse air around the sides of the vehicle rather than allow air under a vehicle. What this does is reduce air pressure under a car at high speed which helps keep it planted on the road. The ones along the sills are called skirts and the one under the back bumper a diffuser.
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