VY 2 SS Ute with HBD canopy - what's she worth?

[Innuendo]

All I am quoting is things as they are ATM in the used car market in Sydney. I still say that $15K-$17K is very very high for a 205,000 km VY SS ute, in this condition, HBD canopy or not.

I 100% agree with the over 15K price but around 15K in WA is about right (how many of the 224 can be available in WA?). But like I said I would hang out and pay more for a better lower Klms version personally.

Red Book is at best a quide, but I use it as a starting point. They have been wrong before & yes, I may be slightly out of touch with these 'vans'.

They are out of touch and are NOT factoring in or even considering the rarity of the vehicle. But this is true of most people who aren't interested in them or are too naive to see just how collectible they will become. Obviously if you are going to speculate you want to most upmarket version you can lay your hands on. The value for people will be in the SS, SSZ and HSV variants and NOW is the time to get them. You can still get them with low Klms, currently you can buy most (not all) replacement items direct new from Holden and buy one for a reasonable price. For what you get it is a very good ride. You also can obtain real information without the "myths" creeping in. (Although every ad I read already has "myth" build numbers made up). Think of it like being about the go back to the '70's and pick a ride you like with the options you want with the knowledge you have now about what prices have become. I'll have a L31, M21 HQ Sandman Van thanks and I'll visit your spares parts department before I leave to get all the parts people will be wanting and needing next century!

They compile their figures from actual sales, from car yards & auction house sales across the country. The $2K-$3K figure for the HBD canopy would be the average figure gleaned by comparing VY/VZ utes (without canopy) with the equivalent model with canopy that actual sold.

Those figures might be based on a very small statistical sample, but they a real sales, not what somebody is asking.

Yeah maybe, but I'm not convinced on what "canopies" are being included because Holden offered the "Sandman" via HBD and the Carry Boy bolts on as factory also. I know of five "Sandman" versions that have sold in the last year that all reached over $20K (Two are members of this very forum) and all have been private sales. The same would be true of a '70's Sandman with 700,000Klms on the clock by Red Books standards. They are all about depreciating consumables (not collectibles!). The auctions and the car dealers wouldn't have the foggiest about these HBD Sandman canopy optioned Ute's. The general public doesn't and even most car enthusiasts don't, gee most of the owners of them don't! But that doesn't mean it will always be that way. Lets face it, something from each model becomes collectible. SS, GTS, GTR, HSV etc. These VY/VZ's are odd ball enough with the right amount of features and the HBD tag to back them up.

Red book, insurance companies and others are lumping these 224 into being just old VY's into the same category every mans daily transport (and that is the job of Red Book) just an old SS Ute. But what I'm saying is it has little to no relevance to those who see them as a future collectible and know with the loss of Holden in Australia with the V8 to follow these will rocket in value for the person who wants rarity and slightly out of the norm.

If people are thinking it's just a Ute with a canopy, you're right. Just like saying a '70's Sandman is just a Holden/Belmont/Kingswood with some stickers!

[Dr Terry]

The auctions and the car dealers wouldn't have the foggiest about these HBD Sandman canopy optioned Ute's. The general public doesn't and even most car enthusiasts don't, gee most of the owners of them don't!

Yes, the general public wouldn't have a clue, but the auction houses & many astute dealers certainly would.

Red Book specifically lists it an "HBD canopy option" which it is & plated as such. As you well know, it's not a bolt-on accessory & they know that.

The other point of course is that Red Book only records licensed dealer transactions (auctions & car yards) so private retail sales are not factored in. This probably leads to the low figures recorded.

Dr Terry