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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Terry View Post
    The whole Catholic / Christian history is a bit of a can of worms also.

    Around 1050 A.D. the 'original' Christian Church split into what is now the Catholic Church & the Orthodox Churches & they both claim to be the original Christian Church.

    It seems that humans have been at war over an imaginary deity for 1,000s of years.

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    Too true, even if the deities are imaginary or not! I know the Abrahamic/Semitic religions (Judaism, Islam and Christianity) all essentially pray to the same singular god, they just all fight (or argue) over what to many of us seem to be trivial points but to them they are mountains. What I always see as a bit odd is for example the current King James Bible which was commissioned by James I is in English we today can read and essentially understand. People argue and devote their lives to the words as if they are the actual words of Jesus or his disciples. But the book has been translated at least from Latin (Romans) and probably Aramaic and/or Greek prior to that. And copies were made by monks under candlelight by hand. So possibly lots has been lost in translation. So should the current word be for example Celebrate not Celibate? To display it, I saw words on the wall on the chapel in Chenonceau Chateau in France. They were obviously in English of some sort, but I could only read one word which from memory was God. It was graffiti by Scottish guards from the 1500's. So if we can't read English with 100% clarity from the 1500's what hope do we have with ancient languages being translated perfectly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HK1837 View Post
    Too true, even if the deities are imaginary or not! I know the Abrahamic/Semitic religions (Judaism, Islam and Christianity) all essentially pray to the same singular god, they just all fight (or argue) over what to many of us seem to be trivial points but to them they are mountains. What I always see as a bit odd is for example the current King James Bible which was commissioned by James I is in English we today can read and essentially understand. People argue and devote their lives to the words as if they are the actual words of Jesus or his disciples. But the book has been translated at least from Latin (Romans) and probably Aramaic and/or Greek prior to that. And copies were made by monks under candlelight by hand. So possibly lots has been lost in translation. So should the current word be for example Celebrate not Celibate? To display it, I saw words on the wall on the chapel in Chenonceau Chateau in France. They were obviously in English of some sort, but I could only read one word which from memory was God. It was graffiti by Scottish guards from the 1500's. So if we can't read English with 100% clarity from the 1500's what hope do we have with ancient languages being translated perfectly!
    In agreeance*, not only have many words in the language changed but it is now clear that the actual meaning of many words have "evolved" as such. I daresay that both written and spoken English is not the only language to continually change over the past couple of millenia and as such would likely be a factor in the confusion of, melding and evolution of religious beliefs globally.

    By example only (and I only use this one because I know of it through a work acquaintance, ask an SDA what the words "to see" mean. There will be at least three to four meanings, dependant upon context and use.

    I must admit to being old enough to have (suffered through) Latin Mass at school...

    As per my previous post I still believe that the whole mess has been going on over in the Middle East for so long now there is no right or wrong side anymore as the waters of history have become too muddied to make any sense from. I do dispair of the innocent people caught in the crossfire of religious fanaticism, much like the supposed "All Accepting" faith that I was brought up under/to be a part of all the while having a very dark past of its own version of genocide (Inquisition).

    I don't have the faintest clue what is going to work over there but hold the hope that something does, before too many people lose their lives to what ultimately is arrogance.

    * A word that in itself has a meaning in this day and age quite polar to its previous meaning some 7-900 years ago (think: grievance) and draws from early French/Scottish.
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