Could this be a sandman - Chassis swap

[ozbox]

no..that common sense isnt all that common..

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There are 3 entities discussed in the legislation .....EDIT well actually more but only 3 relevant to this topic.
A "Component identification number" unique number
A "Vehicle Part" a chassis, engine or body shell
And a "Registrable Vehicle"

The "registrable vehicle" has a "Vehicle part" and a vehicle part has a component identification number.
Quote from the definitions section...
"component identification number, when used in relation to a part of a registrable vehicle, means the number and any accompanying letters or symbols stamped on or otherwise affixed to that part as a means of identifying the part" and also in its own description "Component" identification number not a vehicle identification number.

Jump a few paragraphs down to here...


68 Change or replacement of vehicle part

Any person who changes or replaces a vehicle part of a registrable vehicle must:
(a) notify the Authority of such change or replacement within 14 days of the change or replacement, and
(b) specify the following in the notification:
(i) the date of the change or replacement,
(ii) the registration number, if any, of the vehicle,
(iii) the name and address of each registered operator of the vehicle,
(iv) the make and component identification number of the vehicle part removed from the vehicle,
(v) the make and component identification number of the vehicle part substituted for the original vehicle part,
(vi) the name and address of the person from whom the substituted vehicle part was obtained, and
(c) retain a copy of the notification in the person’s possession for a period of 6 months, and
(d) produce a copy of any such notification for inspection if requested to do so by any police officer or the Authority.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.

The end of the section

So once the chassis has been changed the Authorities require within 14 days, a date, the rego if it is registered, your name, the make of the chassis and number being removed, The make and number of the replacement chassis and the details of where you got it. Keep all this handy for 6 months and show the cops or rego person if asked. Done

No where do they want details of the previous donor registrable vehicle if any. So no identity has been transfered to the recipient registrable vehicle.

More editing....
the make and component identification number of the vehicle part substituted for the original vehicle part,

It clearly states you are substituting a vehicle part Not substituting or putting a new body on a different registerable vehicles chassis

ive proved what i have been typing about..i have no idea what this stuff above has to do with the discussion at hand...im now convinced that you 2t should take over the government and lead our country...

[playwme]

There are 3 entities discussed in the legislation .....EDIT well actually more but only 3 relevant to this topic.
A "Component identification number" unique number
A "Vehicle Part" a chassis, engine or body shell
And a "Registrable Vehicle"

The "registrable vehicle" has a "Vehicle part" and a vehicle part has a component identification number.
Quote from the definitions section...
"component identification number, when used in relation to a part of a registrable vehicle, means the number and any accompanying letters or symbols stamped on or otherwise affixed to that part as a means of identifying the part" and also in its own description "Component" identification number not a vehicle identification number.

Jump a few paragraphs down to here...


68 Change or replacement of vehicle part

Any person who changes or replaces a vehicle part of a registrable vehicle must:
(a) notify the Authority of such change or replacement within 14 days of the change or replacement, and
(b) specify the following in the notification:
(i) the date of the change or replacement,
(ii) the registration number, if any, of the vehicle,
(iii) the name and address of each registered operator of the vehicle,
(iv) the make and component identification number of the vehicle part removed from the vehicle,
(v) the make and component identification number of the vehicle part substituted for the original vehicle part,
(vi) the name and address of the person from whom the substituted vehicle part was obtained, and
(c) retain a copy of the notification in the person’s possession for a period of 6 months, and
(d) produce a copy of any such notification for inspection if requested to do so by any police officer or the Authority.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.

The end of the section

So once the chassis has been changed the Authorities require within 14 days, a date, the rego if it is registered, your name, the make of the chassis and number being removed, The make and number of the replacement chassis and the details of where you got it. Keep all this handy for 6 months and show the cops or rego person if asked. Done

No where do they want details of the previous donor registrable vehicle if any. So no identity has been transfered to the recipient registrable vehicle.

Alright, so I have a HZ ute. I pull the chassis out and fit a HQ panelvan chassis. Then I inform rego and they do the appropriate changes. The next month I pull the HZ engine out and fit a HQ engine date stamped and engine numbered appropriately. Inform rego, they make the changes, all good. 2 months later I realise that a canopy on a ute looks crap, so I take my HQ panelvan body and put it in place of the ute body on my "HZ ute" and inform rego. They make the changes, bada bing bada boom , but the identity is still the same and I have the same numberplates . Do I still have a HZ ute?

[ozbox]

Alright, so I have a HZ ute. I pull the chassis out and fit a HQ panelvan chassis. Then I inform rego and they do the appropriate changes. The next month I pull the HZ engine out and fit a HQ engine date stamped and engine numbered appropriately. Inform rego, they make the changes, all good. 2 months later I realise that a canopy on a ute looks crap, so I take my HQ panelvan body and put it in place of the ute body on my "HZ ute" and inform rego. They make the changes, bada bing bada boom , but the identity is still the same and I have the same numberplates . Do I still have a HZ ute?

no..when you pulled the chassis out and changed it rego has to be cancelled in nsw and new rego must be done and you have an hq..once you have done this you can take the ute body off and put a panelvan body on and do a blue slip for weight variation and body style variation and still keep the same rego but your compliance plate with chassis number stating that its a ute will still be displayed to align with the chassis number of the ute...sinbox is a ute legally registered as a panelvan with a matching tag to chassis as a ute..confused..im not.

[playwme]

Clear as mud. But that was how I intended my example to be. You can interpret rules and regulations however you want. What matters in the end is what the guy down at the RTA says, and he's a government employee and likely to interpret things in ways the normal man could only imagine.

This thread needs a trophy for most posts in the shortest amount of time.

[ozbox]

This thread needs a trophy for most posts in the shortest amount of time.

i agree...

[adam perth]

Question1: if a HQ 1 tonner cab with HQ tags from 1971 go onto a late WB chassis from 1984, what ADR's does it have to comply with?

Question2: If your answer to question 1 was the WB ADR's, how would some inspector at the inspection station know if that chassis was a 1980 chassis or a late 1984 chassis? and hence 1980 ADR's or 1984 ADR's?

Question 3: why wouldn't the 1 tonner in this configuration have to comply with the ADR ID tag on the cab, - the 1971 HQ ADR tag, as there is no WB ADR tag in sight......

Question 4: why are HQ 1 tonner compliance tags worth more than all the others???????? hint - pre pollution Chev.

[ozbox]

Question1: if a HQ 1 tonner cab with HQ tags from 1971 go onto a late WB chassis from 1984, what ADR's does it have to comply with?
it has to comply with the adrs of the chassis.

Question2: If your answer to question 1 was the WB ADR's, how would some inspector at the inspection station know if that chassis was a 1980 chassis or a late 1984 chassis? and hence 1980 ADR's or 1984 ADR's?
because rego authorities have computers and wb has chassis numbers awb bwb cwb dwb for the years.

Question 3: why wouldn't the 1 tonner in this configuration have to comply with the ADR ID tag on the cab, - the 1971 HQ ADR tag, as there is no WB ADR tag in sight......
because in nsw the tag isnt recognised as it does not match chassis number which is the legal entity of the vehicle

Question 4: why are HQ 1 tonner compliance tags worth more than all the others???????? hint - pre pollution Chev.
hq tags are worth nothing if attached to said wb..chassis number is what its regoed from ..hence hq

[Absinth]

C. Vehicles with Compliance Plate discrepancies

Alternatively, where the chassis/VIN number on the compliance plate is the same as the number
indicated on the vehicle registration documents, but different to the number stamped on the
body, the owner will be advised by an Authorised Officer of the RTA to provide evidences as to
the origin of the number on the body. Where satisfactory evidence has been provided (i.e. sales
receipts, repair invoices, etc.) and the body is found to comply with all the relevant ADR’s
applicable to the vehicle (this requires the presentation of an engineers certificate), the owner
will be directed to stamp a line on the differing number, and the chassis/VIN number (shown on
the compliance plate and registration documents) stamped as close as possible to the location
specified by the vehicle manufacturer.

So, if you were lucky enough to find and purchase a Nos unstamped chassis there would be no number to cross out.... you would be instructed to stamp the original chassis number on in its original position.

You could also get your non matching chassis sand blasted by a sand blasting business and have the stamped number obliterated in the process... show the RTA the receipt from the sand blaster as proof the number was legitimately lost, as long as you have an old registration certificate showing the chassis number matches the compliance plate they will get you to stamp that number back onto the chassis....

Be buggered.... is that some semblance of common sense from the RTA??????

[ozbox]

So, if you were lucky enough to find and purchase a Nos unstamped chassis there would be no number to cross out.... you would be instructed to stamp the original chassis number on in its original position.

You could also get your non matching chassis sand blasted by a sand blasting business and have the stamped number obliterated in the process... show the RTA the receipt from the sand blaster as proof the number was legitimately lost, as long as you have an old registration certificate showing the chassis number matches the compliance plate they will get you to stamp that number back onto the chassis....

Be buggered.... is that some semblance of common sense from the RTA??????

it all sounds good in principle but i would love to see it put into practice..you would need to be very patient and armed to the hilt with their own regulations..and if you got someone that didnt like it you would end up with a police number..
problem is you are not dealing with the rta but with mechanics that are authorised to inspect vehicles for the rta..this is the blue slip scheme and it is great in one sense but not in others..
when i did the body swap on sinbox i did my own searching for the legal sides of changing the body shape and weight variation and approached a blue slip guy i knew..he was prepared to do it as a blue slip but it could have got knocked back at the desk in the rta..luckily it didnt.

[adam perth]

Question1: if a HQ 1 tonner cab with HQ tags from 1971 go onto a late WB chassis from 1984, what ADR's does it have to comply with?
it has to comply with the adrs of the chassis.

Question2: If your answer to question 1 was the WB ADR's, how would some inspector at the inspection station know if that chassis was a 1980 chassis or a late 1984 chassis? and hence 1980 ADR's or 1984 ADR's?
because rego authorities have computers and wb has chassis numbers awb bwb cwb dwb for the years.

Question 3: why wouldn't the 1 tonner in this configuration have to comply with the ADR ID tag on the cab, - the 1971 HQ ADR tag, as there is no WB ADR tag in sight......
because in nsw the tag isnt recognised as it does not match chassis number which is the legal entity of the vehicle

Question 4: why are HQ 1 tonner compliance tags worth more than all the others???????? hint - pre pollution Chev.
hq tags are worth nothing if attached to said wb..chassis number is what its regoed from ..hence hq

jeez, they are smart in NSW aren't they...!. I believe in WA it is done off the ADR tag....most transport inpectors are English newbie aussies and wouldn't have a clue....