Something you all should see..

[stickthis]

Probably wont have much effect on the hq-wb series anyway will it? That tooling would have all changed hands or been destroyed years ago wouldnt it?

There is no tooling. What there is, its already being used. Quaility will not improve.

Sandman stripes. These may not happen now. Sorry guys. There maybe many many sandmans out there without the stripes.

Very Sad.

[agr071]

Sandman stripes. These may not happen now. Sorry guys. There maybe many many sandmans out there without the stripes.
Very Sad.

Why wouldn't you be making them anymore?

[stickthis]

I may not be aloud to use the sandman logo.

Maybe able to sell them though rare spares. But Id expect by the time rares put their bit on it they would be in excess of $700 a set.

[sstorana]

I may not be aloud to use the sandman logo.

Maybe able to sell them though rare spares. But Id expect by the time rares put their bit on it they would be in excess of $700 a set.

Not withstanding the fact that they will want them off you for a pittance of what you want...

it is BS!!

[stickthis]

exactly. Which means I will not do them. Not worth the money inversted in them so far.

They will never get them done. Because its too much work. If they do they wont be correct.

[Blocker]

We have spoken briefly about this recently Jason, and I know you have with others.

In the article supplied there is nothing mentioned about copyright sharing or licensee registration for Rares. They have made an 'agreement' with Holden to purchase their tooling, it does not mention they will be the sole licensees of Holden spare/restoration parts. That would be a very bad business decision on Holdens part to lock themselves into a single source supplier of repro parts!

There is nothing stopping you approaching Holden and getting a license to manufacture Decals, or Tail Tents, with the logos.

You know you even better suss out if the Sandman logo is registered copyright??? I bet it's not.
If you need a hand Kelly can look into the legal side of things for you, personally I think it's a bit of marketing by RS to promote this new deal.

[sstorana]

We have spoken briefly about this recently Jason, and I know you have with others.

In the article supplied there is nothing mentioned about copyright sharing or licensee registration for Rares. They have made an 'agreement' with Holden to purchase their tooling, it does not mention they will be the sole licensees of Holden spare/restoration parts. That would be a very bad business decision on Holdens part to lock themselves into a single source supplier of repro parts!

There is nothing stopping you approaching Holden and getting a license to manufacture Decals, or Tail Tents, with the logos.

You know you even better suss out if the Sandman logo is registered copyright??? I bet it's not.
If you need a hand Kelly can look into the legal side of things for you, personally I think it's a bit of marketing by RS to promote this new deal.

I will answer your question Blocker as I have been in the mix of this from last year, and Jason will attest to this..

With regards to any future approvals to use any Holden Logo, and yes the Sandman logo is TM'd to GM, these approvals will need to be staffed thru RSP and not GMH. That is the official word from Holden. I can send you the email that I rec's.

regards
Mick

[Absinth]

I may not be aloud to use the sandman logo.

Maybe able to sell them though rare spares. But Id expect by the time rares put their bit on it they would be in excess of $700 a set.

I think you guys are reading more into this than it actually is. Holden cannot stop anyone from reproducing vehicle spare parts to be sold as "non-genuine spare parts".

I seriously doubt the name "Sandman" could be trade marked by Holden as the name was around long before Holden decided to use it on their vans and utes of the 70's. They probably would have registered the decal design but that registration has long since expired. What you can't do is use the GMH logo or sell any reproduction parts as GMH or Holden approved reproduction parts whereas Rare Spares can.

In the case of the tail tents Holden can't stop anyone from reproducing them but you do need their approval to print the Holden Lion logo on them.

All Rares have done is gain the right to purchase original Holden tooling that Holden no longer requires. Good for them in 30yrs time when VE Commodores become classic cars.

Up until the new designs act 2003 which came into effect in June 2004 you could register a design for a maximum period of 16 years, initially for 1 year and then 3 x 5yr renewals... an aftermarket company can reproduce parts if the design is no longer registered. Our early Holdens have long passed the expiry date on registered designs.

Under the new act a company can manufacture non-genuine spare parts for any vehicle manufactured after June 2004 without infringing registered design. Design registration is now a maximum of 10 years.

[sstorana]

I think you guys are reading more into this than it actually is. Holden cannot stop anyone from reproducing vehicle spare parts to be sold as "non-genuine spare parts".

I seriously doubt the name "Sandman" could be trade marked by Holden as the name was around long before Holden decided to use it on their vans and utes of the 70's. They probably would have registered the decal design but that registration has long since expired. What you can't do is use the GMH logo or sell any reproduction parts as GMH or Holden approved reproduction parts whereas Rare Spares can.

In the case of the tail tents Holden can't stop anyone from reproducing them but you do need their approval to print the Holden Lion logo on them.

All Rares have done is gain the right to purchase original Holden tooling that Holden no longer requires. Good for them in 30yrs time when VE Commodores become classic cars.

Up until the new designs act 2003 which came into effect in June 2004 you could register a design for a maximum period of 16 years, initially for 1 year and then 3 x 5yr renewals... an aftermarket company can reproduce parts if the design is no longer registered. Our early Holdens have long passed the expiry date on registered designs.

Under the new act a company can manufacture non-genuine spare parts for any vehicle manufactured after June 2004 without infringing registered design. Design registration is now a maximum of 10 years.

Absinth,

Believe me, we have done a little research into this..
As far as the name Sandman goes, see here..
http://pericles.ipaustralia.gov.au/a...7&p_rec_all=15

renewal date: 2014!!

regards
Mick

[agr071]

Isn't there something saying that if you make 3 MINOR changes, copyright becomes void??